tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post1295592348148844161..comments2023-04-01T07:54:50.991-07:00Comments on The Porno Buddhist: SEX ABUSE AND ZEN or MAKING AN ASS OUT OF YOU AND MEBrad Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13273179722564495744noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-70213280530383719312010-12-12T13:43:56.185-08:002010-12-12T13:43:56.185-08:00Thanks Brad- I've been following you pretty mu...Thanks Brad- I've been following you pretty much since I woke up to the severity of life-screwage caused the traums I had suffered as a boy and then as a young man. I have heard you dish out a lot of stuff that I didn't want to hear and kept listening because I knew that you were the first "holy roller" I really felt spoke to my heart. When I picked up sex sin and zen I was hoping you would address this topic soon because alot of us need to see the word "dirty" used in quotes by someone who means it. I wish you much success in this venture...not just for me or for all the sexually abused men women and others out there, but for those that haven't been as well...Tragick93 (Benjamin Cicelske)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06675210464411736497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-44374303687963797432010-06-19T14:53:51.488-07:002010-06-19T14:53:51.488-07:00Hey, what a brave and refreshing blog to read.
go...Hey, what a brave and refreshing blog to read.<br /><br />good luck with all of it...<br /><br />saying meditation, fart, dirty and sex all in one sentence! ha ha. <br /><br />AnrealAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-74554277371023987652009-10-24T10:18:32.556-07:002009-10-24T10:18:32.556-07:00I like to stop short at realizing when I don't...I like to stop short at realizing when I don't know enough to fill in the blanks. Of course, I once thought I might grow up to be a scientist, too, and scientists have to recognize when they don't know enough to fill in the blanks in a thing, or else the work becomes corrupted with baseless assumption. <br /><br />I suppose that's not uncommon, though, unfortunately -0 corruption of original observations, with baseless assumptions about the matters that encountered one's eyes -- and are people really supposed to play life just by the sound of things? It could seem as if the body politic would lead one to assume "yes", to that, but I don't believe I can play along, there. Oh, lonesome me.,Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000160102487543439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-83236026953279123432009-09-02T12:41:25.549-07:002009-09-02T12:41:25.549-07:00Hey Brad! I feel that it's a great thing that ...Hey Brad! I feel that it's a great thing that you're doing with this blog.~ The Scribe ~https://www.blogger.com/profile/05437734399710574844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-45638148684470089592009-07-06T16:07:14.286-07:002009-07-06T16:07:14.286-07:00When I read statistics about sexual abuse the firs...When I read statistics about sexual abuse the first question that always pops into my mind is "what IS sexual abuse"? In some cases, such as Daddy porking juniors pooper, there's little doubt. In others, such as the kids taking showers with parents or kids being exposed to the sex their parents are having, I'm not so sure. Sex is the most natural thing in the world. Our culture has made it "dirty". I've found that the horniest, basest, and sickest puppies are those who grew up the most sexually repressed. Those who were punished for masturbation as children go at it constantly as adults. Women who were taught that nice girls don't do such things become overly promiscuous, but are non-orgasmic. One of my siblings is convinced that our brother sexually absued her as a child, but I know them both well and am quite certain that some whack job psychologist put that idea in her head. I was raised to not be self concious about my body and to recognize that sex is a good and healthy thing under the right circumstances, and that it can be quite ugly under the wrong circumstances. I enjoy it, but find that its really only good if there's some love involved. I'm not promiscuous. If I'm horny I masturbate. I'm middle aged (even older than the Zen Master!) but discuss sex openly with my twenty something year old nephew. He's a huge Suicide girls fan (I actually thought SG were a band)and he's very into what he calls "casual sex". I guess it works for him, but he's clearly had his heart broken a time or two, and I suspect that some day he'll discover real love. There's nothing better than sex + love. As to abusers.....castrate the motherfuckers (or daughterfuckers, as the case may be). I suspect that victims of abuse have a real hard time making that sex + love connection.Brookenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-13312078906107802062009-03-08T18:07:00.000-07:002009-03-08T18:07:00.000-07:00This will be an interesting topic that I look forw...This will be an interesting topic that I look forward to following. Though I am not sure why this topic might not be appropriate for your Hardcore Zen blog?Taavi'sGojirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690845665478664959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-59522553664148501052008-12-28T02:28:00.000-08:002008-12-28T02:28:00.000-08:00Reconsidering my previous comment, I would like to...Reconsidering my previous comment, I would like to amend it, to admit: That the role one plays in one's reputation is, perhaps, more complex than I had recognized, at the time when I made the comment. <BR/><BR/>I have recently come to consider the nature of personal intention, but it can be such a slippery fish to catch.<BR/><BR/>I cannot actually say, now, that one would have absolutely no role in how one's reputation would develop, but it is certainly not a thing under one's own control. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps there are cases when a person could wish it was under the one's own control, the reputation that is developed after oneself, and perhaps one may try to "lunge", as it were, as if to force the development of a certain reputation the one would have in mind. I've noticed, this doesn't tend to work out in as much as one's ideals might try to foretell.<BR/><BR/>I think it should be stated, with this, that one will generally not have a singular reputation.<BR/><BR/>and I think it should be noted that the imaginings that lead to reputation are just that ... products of the mind. Is it not so? Perhaps this does not mean it can all be dismissed, but to frame it as being all the stuff of the dramatic plays in the lands of transmigration, is that not an appropriate frame for this?<BR/><BR/>A bird survives as a bird, doing its happy bird thing, whether or not mind is interacting as to corrupt mind's impressions of the creature's inherent nature.<BR/><BR/>and it may be that I am arguing with myself. It may be if I should learn to do this so quietly as a rock. GasshoSeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000160102487543439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-79682945912372768852008-11-04T15:05:00.000-08:002008-11-04T15:05:00.000-08:00Mr. Warner, there is something I would really like...Mr. Warner, there is something I would really like to draw out for note, in what you have written, namely this: "a sense of the imagined version of me that’s coalescing around the things I write. It’s kind of fascinating because it’s so vastly unlike the kind of person I am."<BR/><BR/>I would like to note that, because I feel a sense of resonance about it, not only for myself, but for persons whom I do not even know, in quite so much. The reputation that becomes gathered about oneself is not, I think, a function of oneself -- in any case, I think, even in those cases such as where, let's say, a politician is just striving to develop and, if consistent, then to maintain a certain "public image". Even then, the reputation is developed by others. I expect that quite a few hucksters have taken advantage of a reputation-building function in society. <BR/><BR/>It's nothing I can say only a few words in response to, I'm afraid. <BR/><BR/>Somehow, your statements remind me of a couple SG models, in fact.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Even beyond the social phenomenon, "reputation", the attitudes that people levy to a person are so damned much based on assumption, you know I could wish people were better at not developing attitudes, in the first place.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000160102487543439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-51831885273662289832008-07-25T20:24:00.000-07:002008-07-25T20:24:00.000-07:00*Yawn* Truth be told, there's not much of a diffe...*Yawn* Truth be told, there's not much of a difference between "Tibetan" Buddhism and "Soto". Religion is religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-22194882988566665892008-03-29T07:30:00.000-07:002008-03-29T07:30:00.000-07:00I just read this article about buddhist sex and I ...I just read this article about buddhist sex and I agree with it: http://www.buddhanet.net/winton_s.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-62007579920871909232008-03-10T05:44:00.000-07:002008-03-10T05:44:00.000-07:00some days when i sit Zazen, I feel a tension or ti...some days when i sit Zazen, I feel a tension or tightning in my chest and jaws. I feel it and try to accept it. I think it is anxiety, past hurts and fears. I say 'Rich, don't worry I will take care of you now.' I embrace these feelings and transform them to the energy of the present. What's left I try to let go of.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06825454951290155337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-54339770498260466882008-03-04T20:23:00.000-08:002008-03-04T20:23:00.000-08:00One thing I hope you explore, perhaps it's too obv...One thing I hope you explore, perhaps it's too obvious, is the way the power/authority of "priest" or "master" has brought on relationship and potential abuse issues of its own kind in Zen (cf. 1970s and 1980s in Calif.). <BR/><BR/>BTW, you say you "don't care" what people assume, but if you couldn't be bothered...well, you woulnd't be bothered enough to mention it. Clearly you do care. And let's realize that people must assume some things in life, or else we won't get out of bed. Life is like art, GK Chesteron said, you have to draw a line somewhere. Zen agrees in a middling way. So, I vote for not using Zen too much for rationalization of any actions or even "non-reactions". On the SG blog you clearly state you like what you see there of the girls, so why act "shocked, shocked!" that some people assume you attend these events for some jollies? Now, contect this concern with the first pargraph of this comment and win a prize. : )<BR/><BR/>(Hope this is taken in the spirit of "hard core"-ness, and hope it comes across as such, too, as that is my intent. Thanks for listening.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-46627289300392986602008-02-23T10:26:00.000-08:002008-02-23T10:26:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.NellaLouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07247769132258539996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-11776402830296817102008-02-23T09:54:00.000-08:002008-02-23T09:54:00.000-08:00Don't forget about Restorative Justice!Don't forget about <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice" REL="nofollow">Restorative Justice</A>!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-32960696543030545382008-02-23T09:46:00.000-08:002008-02-23T09:46:00.000-08:00Or, I could vow thatno matter what harm others do ...Or, I could vow that<BR/>no matter what harm others do to me,<BR/>I will kill myself before I harm another,<BR/><BR/>for I do not wish to participate in the<BR/>creation of such a universe.<BR/>Adios, amigos.<BR/><BR/>Remember, don't hurt nobody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-2691076368748342182008-02-23T08:20:00.000-08:002008-02-23T08:20:00.000-08:00If abuse is going on, first is to stop it.Stopping...If abuse is going on, first is to stop it.<BR/>Stopping the abuse has its own crisis/traumatic aspects to it because it involves the police and child protective services ( = governmental agencies = big mess). Life gets turned upside down in no uncertain terms for everyone, there's just no getting around it.<BR/>How can you possibly study for that history test or write that English paper?<BR/>The dog didn't eat your homework, circumstances ate your life!<BR/>There is no 'pause' button, there is no 'erase'. <BR/>Forensic psychologists want to help--the case, not you--you look in their mirror and everything gets magnified. The abuse gets larger than life, gets a life of its own, everybody talks about 'the abuse,' 'the abuse.'<BR/><BR/>Wasn't it supposed to end? Why do you have to keep talking and keep talking and keep talking about it?<BR/><BR/>Then you have to go to therapy--some of that is very good, finally a quiet, private place where you don't 'have to' do anything. It's good to be there, if only you could live there until all this was over.<BR/>Then there is group therapy where you get to see you weren't the only one whose daddys, mama's boyfriends, uncles, big half-brothers step brothers, brothers' best friends, babysitters, babysitters' husband, boyfriend, son, 'did stuff.'<BR/>OK, now whereever you are, as you look around you, you see victims, victims, victims, everywhere.<BR/>Not only that, you get to hear all the creepy, slimy, thug things these folks did.<BR/>It was bad enough when it was just your own stuff.<BR/>You've got tons of stuff to write about now but not for your English class. You've been informally compiling a lot of figures -- maybe you could invent a new math--molestation math--but it won't help you on the test.<BR/><BR/>Things get simplified: everyone gets fucked, we're all fucked. Now what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-22620262668441819672008-02-22T20:32:00.000-08:002008-02-22T20:32:00.000-08:00Ikkyu would be proud, Brad.Ikkyu would be proud, Brad.Arlo-TaylorGMeizlishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06738201452335053099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-7115239118327144082008-02-22T17:25:00.000-08:002008-02-22T17:25:00.000-08:00iggy said... Buddhist Allen Ginsberg believed it w...iggy said... <BR/><BR/><I>Buddhist Allen Ginsberg believed it was perfectly acceptable for children to have sex with kind adults. He thought the laws should be changed.</I><BR/><BR/>Your line of thinking seems to be: person with affiliation X states Y, therefore X is OK with Y. <BR/><BR/>Nope. People with various affiliations say lots of different stuff. And even if X says Y, does that make it so? How would you know he’s not bullshitting you?<BR/><BR/>Consider that consent doesn’t necessarily make something OK. Neither does consent absolve you or the other person from consequences. Karma either way. You and your partner pay, not Ginsberg, even if he and other Buddhists said it’s OK.<BR/><BR/>At what age could you have given consent to have sex with someone 20 years your senior? Would your consent have made it a good choice? <B>Hypothetically</B>, what about your child? At what age would you be OK with your daughter’s sleeping with a man 20 years her senior?<BR/><BR/>Sex can be a seriously damaging act, so there is more to consider carefully than to opine about or to accept on name or affiliation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-16266171619593166762008-02-22T08:00:00.000-08:002008-02-22T08:00:00.000-08:00Why is everyone getting distracted by "what should...Why is everyone getting distracted by "what should I do about sex?" As Brad has pointed out, if you pay attention, it's pretty bloody obvious if what you are about to do is wrong or not. The fabric of the universe will be shouting it at you, just listen. <BR/><BR/>The interesting thing about sexual abuse as a child is how thoroughly it severs trust in ones own flesh and removes the ability to rest at home and feel comfortable. Survivors tend to feel that their own bodies are vile and that home is the most dangerous place. Sitting can help a lot with not noticing how wonderful our body/minds are, and living and building a good adult life despite a lack of safety is very good practice indeed at having no fixed abode. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for allowing anonymous comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-52166421638104946072008-02-21T17:46:00.000-08:002008-02-21T17:46:00.000-08:00After we sit all day at Hill Streetthis Saturday, ...After we sit all day at Hill Street<BR/>this Saturday, why not join me for<BR/>a walk on <A HREF="http://www.kpfk.org/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_detail&agid=2103&year=2008&month=02&day=23&Itemid=63" REL="nofollow">the wild side</A>?<BR/><BR/>... and the colored girls <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqGHknpbyM" REL="nofollow">go...</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-35854177788950088762008-02-21T16:36:00.000-08:002008-02-21T16:36:00.000-08:00Good on you Brad!I look forward to following this ...Good on you Brad!<BR/>I look forward to following this blog.<BR/>I would be interested to hear your thoughts about those of us who were sexually abused by "Spiritual Authority Figures" as children and how that relates to Zen. <BR/>I know that much of my attraction to Zen stems from the concept of a Spiritual Teacher ultimately being something that must be overcome.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Ginsburg didn't just get close to NAMBLA creepy. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg#Association_with_NAMBLA" REL="nofollow">He was a member</A>. I'm not making a value judgment, I don't know if he advocated lowering the age of consent, or doing away with it completely.Honky-Tonk Dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935718184841652867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-9456257385470929962008-02-21T04:20:00.000-08:002008-02-21T04:20:00.000-08:00Gudo's answer 1.) Unfortunately I do not know abou...Gudo's answer 1.) Unfortunately I do not know about Tibetan Buddhism almost at all, and so I would like to ask you to have your questions to other Masters other than I.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-43491228143713460442008-02-21T01:13:00.000-08:002008-02-21T01:13:00.000-08:00Hi Brad, you're approaching deep questions.The off...Hi Brad, you're approaching deep questions.<BR/><BR/>The official statistics in the country I live say the percentage of abuse victims is almost 40% of children up to the age of 18. That's an awful lot and that only includes the cases that come to daylight.<BR/><BR/>As a daoist zazen practitioner and a surviver of vile abuse and torture as a young child, I'll follow this blog with great interest. For my part, zazen has given me a freedom from the pains of the shattered victim more than any drug I've ever ingested. Zazen is the window to life when all else fails. To be suspended between the heaven and earth leaves no place for death and pain to take hold.<BR/><BR/>Thank f-! Thank you Brad and good luck.<BR/><BR/>AiliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-921710320124336912008-02-20T21:55:00.000-08:002008-02-20T21:55:00.000-08:00Pushing the consent envelopeeven further...When sh...Pushing the consent envelope<BR/>even further...<BR/><BR/>When she was an adult, Anais Nin<BR/>had "consensual" sex with her<BR/>father. Of course, since they<BR/>were both "consenting" adults,<BR/>it's none of my business, but,<BR/>I wonder if such is really<BR/>possible with the overlap of<BR/>psychological boundaries<BR/>between family members.<BR/><BR/>Verdict:<BR/>adult-on-adult incest equals rape.<BR/><BR/>Unless you are Dr. Dolittle,<BR/>animals cannot give their consent.<BR/><BR/>Verdict:<BR/>bestiality equals rape.<BR/>(carnivores can go fuck themselves ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-845507156115400690.post-76059545680712365992008-02-20T16:39:00.000-08:002008-02-20T16:39:00.000-08:00The presence or absence of ritual does not make yo...The presence or absence of ritual does not make you a Buddhist. And you are not more Buddhist by avoiding ritual. The so-called ritual has a meaning and a purpose. Bur the comments section on blogger is not the place to explain it.<BR/><BR/>The traditional definition of Buddhism is that one accepts that samsara is suffering, conditioned phenomena are impermanent, all beings lack a self, and nirvana is perfect peace. Tibetan Buddhists certainly accept all these points.Jinzanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04155467948613318531noreply@blogger.com